VFTB 2/18/24: Iron and Myth 26 – Pharmakeia, Tech, and Portals

TECHNOLOGY TO help you get possessed. It’s out there—apps to guide you in journeys to the spirit realm. And what about the use of mind-altering drugs to open gateways to the unseen realm? 

Joining us to discuss the intersection of cutting-edge science and technology in the pursuit of contacting the spirit realm are Doug Van Dorn (www.douglasvandorn.com) and Dr. Judd Burton (www.burtonbeyond.net). (Sadly, our friend Brian Godawa (www.godawa.com) was unable to join us this month.) Throughout history, many techniques labeled sorcery or witchcraft were seen by its practitioners as efforts to develop scientific methods for reaching into the spirit world. 

We also talk about the increasingly fuzzy line between technology and magic. If entities in the spirit realm are essentially beings of light, can the devices we use to connect to the web allow entities to enter our reality? Can CERN really open a hole into another dimension—and if so, will something come through? (Maybe, and no.) 

We conclude that intentionality is the key ingredient. Not to be flippant, but if you really want to contact a demon, you can probably do it while reading names from a telephone book.

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